cleaning post-pickle scum from tiny hard-to-handle pieces

Hello-- and HELLLLP! I'm getting arthritis from wire-brushing bb-sized granulated balls of silver & bronze. After pickling them, they need to be cleaned and I'm having an increasingly difficult time handling them... Can they be tumbled clean? (Please don't laugh at my ignorance-- I'm new to metalsmithing and just make everything up, and sometimes Googling is futile) I will be everlastingly grateful for any tips on how to clean tiny metal pieces which are too small to handle and wirebrush easily. Thank you, thank you!

Stacy's Answer:

Tiny items can be a challenge! Tumbling will not remove torch residue/firescale.....pickling does that. You may just simply need to leave the granules/balls in the pickle longer - until the silver is silver-colored again. If it's pinkish or black, it needs to soak longer. (fine silver or Argentium silver stays white and does not or rather should not turn black after torching. No pickling necessary. It's also preferable for granulation work because there is no porosity which can distort the tiny round balls and they require no solder)

Bronze and brass often looks pink after the torch crude is removed. To restore it back to it's golden color, soak in a solution of 3 parts white vinegar to 2 parts hydrogen peroxide. The metal will get tiny air bubbles on it and the solution turns blue as it works. This process takes about 15 minutes. Don't think you can skip the pickling, because the torch residue must be removed first! It is VERY IMPORTANT NOT to forget the metal in the "de-pinking" solution as prolonged exposure will damage the metal. A half-hour of less is fine. You can then tumble your granules to shine them up. That being said, the idea of picking those balls out of the shot sound like no fun! A good eye and tweezers would be a must! If your pickle is not cleaning the metal, perhaps it's time to refresh or replace it.

However (yep, there's always one of those), why are you going through all the effort to polish them up before soldering or fusing them on something? I wouldn't bother to polish them - just pickle to remove the torch residue to prepare them for use in your jewelry designs. As you'll be torching them again they'll get "dirty" again. Do the major cleaning and polishing AFTER they've become a piece of jewelry. (yes, you can put silver in the vinegar/peroxide solution if it has bronze or brass on it to yellow up the brass.) Then tumble or buff to polish the metal to a high shine.

If you really need to scrub/brush the metal BB's, you could staple some fine mesh screening to a wood frame to create a contained flat area that allows you to spread the balls out, but keeps them from escaping. I'm thinking at least 6 inches x 6 inches with one inch framing and the screening needs to be tight! Simply place the sieve on a flat surface, perhaps with toweling under it, dump in the granules and use a large soft brass brush to scrub them en-masse without having to hold them individually. Pick up and rinse the whole business! Now they're ready for soldering. Or perhaps all they need is to simply be rolled in damp toweling to remove any leftover residue from the pickle pot?

I've given you a bunch of choices here because I cannot see what your metal pieces look like or talk to you to better help me ID the problem. Whether it's the pickle solution, the residue from pickling, the pink brass/bronze after it's been cleaned, etc., I hope that one of the above or a combo of the solutions will simplify the finishing process for you and save you from the arthritis-enhancing ones!



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Nov 11, 2012
thanks & gratitude!
by: svetlana

Stacy, you are wonderful! Thank you so very much for your quick and considered response... I will try all your solutions, and your answer gives me another question: after my pieces are pickled, if there is still a "bloom" on the metal (the pickle is new and strong) is it ok to solder without brass-brushing it? I've been leaving my metal in the pickle for as much as an hour, and still it seems that the pink/black scum leaves an ashy "bloom" which needs to be brass-brushed... or does it just need to sit in the pickle longer?
Again, thank you so much!

Nov 11, 2012
Pickle Scum
by: Stacy

I'm not sure what you mean by "bloom". I assume you mean pink in color? Silver should be a whitish silver looking. The pinkish residue after pickling should wipe off. The pinkish coating on brass, bronze or copper also washes or wipes right off. Simply roll in a a bit of toweling after rinsing the pickling off. If the brass is still pink in color after wiping off any coating, that's caused by heating and it does not wipe off. Yes, you can sort-of buff it off with a brass brush or by buffing, but not completely. So soaking in the vinegar/peroxide solution will turn it yellow again. Easy/peazy!

Because you'll be heating the brass again, wait to do this until you are done applying the torch to the item. The pink discoloration does not interfere with getting a good join when soldering, but torch residue can. Me-thinks you're doing too much! LOL Just be sure your metals to be soldered are free of the torching gunk. Save your hands and leave any major clean-ups to the finished pieces.

Nov 11, 2012
eternally grateful
by: svetlana

thanks a billion! I guess i DO fret too much... I try to make everything perfect from the start and don't realize that I'm just spinning my wheels. Thank you for your wisdom and experience, and I will pass this information along whenever anybody asks me for my hopefully-soon-to-not-be-quite-so-inexpert advice! Your site is a godsend and I'm so glad I found it-- thank you.


Mar 25, 2013
Hi
by: Anonymous

Hi,

I am curious what I can store this solution in once its made if not a glass bottle? Thanks!

Mar 18, 2015
my pickle is turning my brass and copper black in some parts!
by: darcey

Hello!
I have a few issues going on here. I use copper and jewelers bronze for my jewelry. I absolutely love the color of the jewelers bronze but of course it turns copper after anealing, expectantly but I cannot get some of my pieces back to the bronze color after picking. I use the pickle from rio grande and was told to add peroxide to get the copper out of the brass. Well...this seems to work until I take it out and then it turns black and green and coppery looking. I rinse my metals in a baking soda bath then water after and still I get these problems. Also, when the pieces (brass and copper) come out of the pickle with the desired color results I sometimes get random black areas. I'm new to this. Any very detailed long winded suggestions would be so very welcome. :)

Mar 18, 2015
my pickle is turning my brass and copper black in some parts!
by: darcey

Hello!
I have a few issues going on here. I use copper and jewelers bronze for my jewelry. I absolutely love the color of the jewelers bronze but of course it turns copper after anealing, expectantly but I cannot get some of my pieces back to the bronze color after picking. I use the pickle from rio grande and was told to add peroxide to get the copper out of the brass. Well...this seems to work until I take it out and then it turns black and green and coppery looking. I rinse my metals in a baking soda bath then water after and still I get these problems. Also, when the pieces (brass and copper) come out of the pickle with the desired color results I sometimes get random black areas. I'm new to this. Any very detailed long winded suggestions would be so very welcome. :)

Jan 10, 2016
Globs in the pickle
by: Sacredshield

After mixing my pickle and using it for a little while I am experiencing brown or black globs of (?) floating in the solution. Why is this happening and how do I avoid the problem?

Jan 10, 2016
A Change of Pickle
by: Stacy

You need to change the pickling solution you use. Sparex No2 forms clear-ish brown floating oily looking globs. I used to skim it off with a paper towel, but changing the pickle agent was easier.

I now use pHDown crystals (Sodium Bisulfate) commonly used for balancing the pH in pools. I purchase it here at my local supermarket, but super stores and pool supply shops carry it also. It's inexpensive and stays clear with no scummy build up.

To use add approximately 1/3 cup pHDown crystals to a 2 quart crockpot filled 1/2 to 2/3 full of water. As it evaporates, simply add more water. To replace the solution, neutralize with baking soda. It will bubble up like a science project! Keep adding baking soda and when the bubbling action stops, the product is neutral and can be safely disposed of. While it does not eat holes in your skin, it will eat holes in fabric. Just like all acid-based pickle, once mixed in your crock pot, keep in a well-ventilated area, avoid breathing the vapor and keep it off your clothes! Rinse the jewelry item with clean water before placing on a towel, etc.

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